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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Nov 25, 2011 7:08am
Forum: occupywallstreet Subject: Outsourcing U.S. Manufacturing and Electronics Jobs

Tracking U.S. Manufacturing and Electronics Jobs as they disappear overseas!

San Francisco jobs, companies, and industry changes looked good in 1972! America had a strong Manufacturing Sector that grew substantially after World War II. Most manufacturing jobs in the U.S.A. paid well. These jobs paid middle-class living wages. Life was SO damned GOOD in the 1960s, it prompted the Grateful Dead's legendary guitar player to define these core values for the band and The Hippie Generation. In this 1967 CBS documentary Jerry Garcia says:

"What we're thinking about is a peaceful planet. We're not thinking of anything else. We're not thinking about any kind of power. We're not thinking about any of those kinds of struggles. We're not thinking about revolution or war or any of that. That's not what we want. Nobody wants to get hurt. Nobody wants to hurt anybody. We would all like to be able to live an uncluttered life, a simple life, a good life and think about moving the whole human race ahead a step."
Electronics Products and the Manufacturing Sector were growing strongly during the 1960s. The U.S. Department of Labor's Bureau of Labor Statistics recorded four million new jobs being created in Manufacturing from 1961 to 1970. However, The U.S.A. had already begun outsourcing the manufacturing of many electronics components and devices.
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According to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, by 1972 fifteen large companies headquartered in downtown San Francisco controlled about 430,000 jobs. American Telephone & Telegraph (AT&T) with its operating entities including Pacific Bell was the oldest and largest, employing nearly 100,000 in the Bay Area. The four largest technology firms based on the SF peninsula each had between 10,000 and 20,000 workers. These outfits were Fairchild Semiconductor, Hewlett Packard, Ampex Corporation, and National Semiconductor.

Ampex was Silicon Valley's first hip company - swinging with the likes of Bing Crosby and Les Paul. Ampex reel-to-reel audio tape recorders were used scores of times by the Grateful Dead to record their SBDs in the early years. The Europe '72 recordings made for Warner Bros were taped by Alembic at 15ips on a modified Ampex 16-track tape deck.

Ampex invented the video tape recorder in 1955. Over the years Ampex's electronics technology developments won an Oscar, 12 Emmys, and a Grammy. Larry Ellison and Nolan Bushnell, of Atari fame, are Ampex alums. Ampex also gave us Ray Dolby. Yes, the Ray Dolby of Dolby Noise Reduction. After taping the Grateful Dead at numerous shows in the northeast region in 1973, I worked as a soundman and toured several years with a few bands. Then I went back to school and earned an AA degree in electronics. Afterwards I worked for Ampex for six years as an electronics tech and field service engineer. They had an impressive Training Department at their Redwood City headquarters. Ampex sent me out there numerous times. I received more than a dozen professional electronics Training Classes detailing high-end Broadcast Products manufactured by Ampex. Then I went on to have another 25 years of good-paying technical and engineering service jobs in TV Broadcasting, Cable TV, and TV production sectors. Myself, and my Ampex peers, were in very high demand for employment in the private sector.

In the 1970s the U.S.A. outsourced a lot of manufacturing of electronic Integrated Circuits (IC chips) to Asia. Countries such as Malaysia, Taiwan, Indonesia, The Philippines, South Korea, and Singapore were replacing U.S. electronics manufacturing facilities and U.S. manufacturing workers. Today most of the U.S.A.'s electronics and manufacturing jobs are out-sourced. The good-paying service jobs have disappeared with them. The U.S.A. no longer believes in "training its workers" either. Manufacturing jobs, electronics jobs, and high tech service jobs are crumbling in the U.S.A.

1 Million electronics workers in China - replacing U.S.A.'s electronics manufacturing sectorff_joelinchina_f.jpg

It's over - as far as the U.S.A. being relevant as a Manufacturer of Goods in the world's future. Many people seemed to have overlooked this crucial problem during the Dot-com Bubble of the latter 1990s. The period was marked by the founding (and, in many cases, spectacular failure) of new Internet-based companies commonly referred to as dot-coms. Companies were seeing their stock prices shoot up if they simply added an "e-" prefix to their name and/or a ".com" to the end.

A combination of rapidly increasing stock prices, market confidence that the companies would turn future profits, individual speculation in stocks, and widely available venture capital created an environment in which many investors bet dangerously. They were willing to overlook traditional metrics such as P/E ratio in favor of confidence in technological advancements being touted by pundits. We have Alan Greenspan stating his most infamous lines about Wall Street investors' wild speculation. On Dec 5, 1996 Alan Greenspan says to the American Enterprise Institute:
"Clearly, sustained low inflation implies less uncertainty about the future, and lower risk premiums imply higher prices of stocks and other earning assets. We can see that in the inverse relationship exhibited by price/earnings ratios and the rate of inflation in the past. But how do we know when irrational exuberance has unduly escalated asset values, which then become subject to unexpected and prolonged contractions as they have in Japan over the past decade?"
The NASDAQ stock index peaked at 5,132 in intraday trading on March 10, 2000. Today on 24 Nov 2011, the NASDAQ index is trading at 2,460. Ten years later and The NASDAQ index is below half of its peak value reached in 2000. Notice how The U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics shows a corresponding loss of Jobs in the Computer and Electronics Products sector when the Dot-com Bubble burst in 2000:

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Then we had the Housing Bubble just a few years later. This was a financial crisis caused by greedy Wall Street speculators and too much financial deregulation. Many homeowners and mortgage-holders with lots of home equity were encouraged to borrow and refinance. Greedy Wall Steet leaders incentivized countless home-owners to turn their homes into ATM machines! We witnessed greedy U.S. consumerism at its worst! The result of all this was a feeding-frenzy on Wall Street. We witnessed epic new levels of greed by the one per-cent. The worst Wall Street offenders converted risky sub-prime loans — many of them were virtually worthless — into AAA-rated securities by packaging them with other mortgages. Sprinkle some tooth-fairy "Ratings-Agency-magic-dust" on them, package them up into unregulated derivatives, and re-sell them over-the-counter in Wall Street's betting parlors.

Predictably, sub-prime mortgage-holders started defaulting in large quantities. This caused the bursting of real estate bubbles all around the world. There was a global financial meltdown. The U.S.A. lost millions and millions more jobs in Construction, Real Estate, and the Service sector:

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Greedy Wall Street firms, banks, bankers, and CEOs received huge bailouts paid for by U.S. Taxpayers. Then greedy Wall Street firms, banks, bankers, and CEOs gave themselves huge bonuses paid for by U.S. Taxpayers. Now Wall Street's GREED is behind The Outsourcing of as many U.S. Jobs as fast as possible! Here are the three Top Outsourcing Destination Countries. This message is brought to you by Occupy Wall Street!

Outsourcing U.S. Jobs to India
Outsourcing index: 7.1
Rank: 1
India is the leading country for offshore outsourcing. The offshore outsourcing industry started in India and it has been able to grow the IT and BPO export sector to $47 billion and capture more than half the offshore outsourcing industry. That is not to say that India does not have challenges or is the best location for every offshore outsourcing effort, but it has an unparalleled history and size.

The Americas and Europe are the largest customers for the Indian outsourcing industry and account for 60 percent and 31 percent respectively of IT and BPO exports. The largest vertical sectors are financial services (41 percent), high-tech/ telecom (20 percent), manufacturing (17 percent) and retail (8 percent). In 2009 the IT and BPO export industries employed about 2.2 million people.

IT and BPO services outsourcing first started in India in the mid 1980s. The large, English speaking, low-cost workforce was the main attraction. The industry grew rapidly through the 1990s aided by the dot com boom and IT upgrades to prepare for potential Y2K bugs. The 2000s saw similar growth with work moving to India in down cycles to help companies cut costs and in boom times to capitalize on the readily available talent.

The 2008-2009 global recession has had a negative impact on outsourcing growth in India, but the sector is experiencing a turn-around in 2010. Many US and European companies are still cautious about the speed or staying power of the 2010 economic recovery and thus are looking to maintain a low cost base in locations such as India. We expect IT and BPO outsourcing in India to bounce back to double digit growth rates in 2010.
Outsourcing U.S. Jobs to Indonesia
Outsourcing index: 6.9
Rank: 2
Indonesia is positioned to make great strides in the development of its Information Technology sector. Today the country is moving away from its dependence on exports and restructuring its strategy to meet the challenges of an economy driven by IT and IT-related services. Many economists expect growth of USD $700M this year, with a compound annual growth rate (CAGR) of around 15% over 2010-2014. As the country’s IT service market grows, most of these will concentrate on services that include system integration, professional services, training, support systems, internet services, and global sourcing.

Indonesia is continually liberalizing economic policies to support its outsourcing industry, including the Indonesian call center market. Aside from this, the government is implementing developmental strategies including the simplification of investment procedure and tax deductible expenses, and of training and research improvements for development programs.

Indonesia was severely impacted by the recent global recession, but has responded effectively and efficiently because of the lessons learned from their 1997-1998 crisis. The Indonesian government established fiscal policy tools to lessen the economic impact, and the two instruments that it used were the tax-saving program for households and businesses and additional spending on infrastructure projects for private sector and household spending.
Outsourcing U.S. Jobs to China
Outsourcing index: 6.4
Rank: 3
When China opened itself up to the world twenty years ago, many realized how its huge market of almost 1.3 billion consumers could impact the biggest manufacturers and retailers in the world. Few anticipated however, that China's large population base would also provide competitive advantages against the most dominant players in the outsourcing industry. China's current outsourcing market is growing an estimated 30 percent annually, and many countries have relocated their headquarters to China to establish businesses.

China and India are key players among the global sourcing industry. While it remains unlikely that it will overtake India's proven dominance completely, China is on track to usurp a significant segment of India’s outsourcing revenue in the future.

China has five major cities that provide the bulk of its sourcing services: Beijing; Chengdu; Shanghai, popularly known for providing product development, research and testing, and business analytics; Shenzhen, specializing in software, application maintenance and development; and Guangzhou, known for its engineering services. Its software outsourcing park is located in Dalian, with around 400 businesses that are expected to increase sales to 20 billion Yuan annually. Dalian is often compared with Bangalore in India. Presently, it is a part of the country’s eleven "National Software Industry Bases" and "National Software Export Bases."

China’s primary specializations include manufacturing, finance, services, health care, and government/education. China is mostly involved in the KPO, ITO, and BPO sectors, with investors like Convergys, Accenture, IBM, HP, and AT&T establishing their niches in different locations. There are also local providers that have become global players in the industry, such as Neusoft, Dextrys, Bleum, and Agumentum.

The recession has boosted China’s service industry, including its sourcing market. The Chinese government has made significant policy changes to extend this advantage, such as offering businesses financial support, subsidies, tax breaks, and intellectual property protection rights in twenty pilot cities; Hangzhou, Suzhou, Xian, Shanghai, and Beijing being among them.
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This post was modified by dead-head_Monte on 2011-11-25 15:08:41

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Poster: high flow Date: Nov 24, 2011 4:30pm
Forum: occupywallstreet Subject: Re: Outsourcing U.S. Manufacturing and Electronics Jobs

Happy Thanksgiving Monte.

I hope you'll find a few moments today to reflect on all the good things in your life.

Happy Turkeyday to all the LMA GD Forum crowd. I do so enjoy this place.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Nov 25, 2011 9:36am
Forum: occupywallstreet Subject: unions had nothing to do with it...?

More occupy news

Good shit:

http://www.verumserum.com/?p=33789

http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2011/11/23/the-entire-occupy-movement-summarized-in-one-sign/

http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2011/11/23/this-is-what-democracy-looks-like-in-hell/

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/party_over_but_more_occupy_arrests_2Ouk2G4BfhM3YnQo5lLuMM

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2063172/Occupy-Wall-Street-Anne-Hathaway-joins-protesters-surely-shes-1.html#ixzz1e4IWWKh0

And remember this guy?

http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/Controversial-Professor-Bill-Ayers-Speaks-With-Occupy-Chicago-Protestors--134045388.html

http://www.poedpatriot.com/2011/11/terrorist-group-weather-underground.html

http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2011/11/18/occupy-wall-street-are-undocumented-putting-themselves-at-risk/

And about damn time:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2065014/Occupy-protests-Obama-heckled-drowned-New-Hampshire.html

But then there's this:

http://www.chicagonow.com/publius-forum/2011/11/media-wont-link-white-house-shooter-to-occupy-wall-street/

Nice mom:

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/runaway_mom_dreadlocked_up_Yo8j4AR7rchEXij04FQ2DO


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2065206/Muslim-preacher-60-jailed-assault-children-mosque-secretly-filmed.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2066157/Mona-Eltahawy-Columnist-sexually-assaulted-Egyptian-military-police-shows-casts-hands.html

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/11/24/nurse-says-was-fired-over-treating-muslim-women/?test=latestnews

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/11/23/BA2Q1M3I7E.DTL&;tsp=1

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Nov 26, 2011 8:52am
Forum: occupywallstreet Subject: Re: unions had nothing to do with Tea Party and Fox propaganda

I'll take a Union Job! any day of the week! Period! Look, all individuals, outfits, organizations, clubs, groups, teams, etc, are imperfect. Nothing is perfect, especially people. Like you, I can dig up the dirt and fling it all over this Forum. I can search and Google, browse RSS feeds, browse reality-TV headlines, and mirror sensational non-news items on this Forum. Let's keep things peaceful and fruitful, okay? We can have a reasonable discussion. Thank You.

Did you know The Grateful Dead were not in a union, nor were Alembic, nor the sound crew, nor the tapers? Some of the venues GD played at would have involved some union workers. Ampex workers were not in any unions. Hewlett Packard plants and their many thousands of workers all over Colorado were not in any unions. Ampex outsourced their Audio Production Line to Juarez, Mexico in 1979. I was working in Ampex's Audio-Video Systems Division factory in Colorado Springs that summer and I helped them box up this newly-outsourced Audio Production Line.

Ampex's Audio-Video Systems Division factory in Colorado Springs
Ampex Factory
This 239,000-square-foot plant is located at 600 Wooten Road
Ampex once employed as many as 1,600 people in this Colorado Springs factory

After outsourcing a few hundred jobs to Warez, Mexico in 1979, non-union Ampex Corporation went out of business circa 1995! Hewlitt Packard has invested billions of dollars in India and China! Thousands of Colorado non-union HP workers were fired!

You and your Tea Party are bent on making the same propaganda points, over and over. Myself and the 99 per-cent know where you're coming from. Please stop acting like a Denialist and a Revisionist. My ticket is punched, and my show is over. I'm sixty. It's Game Over for me! The Greedy one per-cent hate my guts. Who cares? The Tea Party and The One Per-cent are saying the same things. The Greedy One Per-cent are telling The 99 per-cent of us to shut-up, and do everything Wall Street says, which is this:

The 99 per-cent needs to Man-up; be a 'good-American worker'; The Greedy One Per-cent wants to screw you in every possible way; shut-up and become a 'risk-taker'; you can succeed by 're-inventing yourself'; real skills, good jobs, school teachers, and union trades are Pure EVIL; The American Worker's goal is to 'become an Entrepreneur'; American citizens must take on an enormous six-figure debt; then you can 'make it' on 'your own'; you must work hard on the job, 6 days a week, 15 hours a day, 100 hours per week - which ever is longer; if you get sick and can't afford Health Care - just die; The World belongs to The Greedy One Per-cent; Trust in The Market while we screw your future!
On May 2nd, 1933, the day after Labor day, Nazi groups occupied union halls and labor leaders were arrested. Trade Unions were outlawed by Adolf Hitler, while collective bargaining and the right to strike was abolished.

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This was the beginning of a consolidation of power by the fascist regime which systematically wiped out all opposition groups, starting with unions, liberals, socialists, and communists using Himmler’s state police. Fast-forward to America today. Hannity and Fox put out more propaganda than CNN, MSNBC, and the other networks - put together. Why do you and The Tea Party keep supporting Nazi rhetoric and repeating mis-truths?

Tea Party protester in Chicago
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Media Matters for America posts research and analytic reports documenting Tea Party propaganda throughout the media. Additionally, Media Matters works daily to notify activists, journalists, pundits, and the general public about instances of misinformation. They provide resources to rebut false claims and to take direct action against offending media institutions like Fox News. Media Matters for America is a Web-based, not-for-profit, 501(c)(3) progressive research and information center dedicated to comprehensively monitoring, analyzing, and correcting conservative misinformation in the U.S. media.

Ron Rosenbaum also writes about Tea Party ideology, and in particular about the fraudulent history and distorted language it indulges in. Listen to Tea Partiers on cable news — or read the signs they hoist or their Internet comments — and you frequently encounter the flagrant abuse, the historically ignorant misuse, of words such as tyranny, communist, Marxist, fascist, and socialist.

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UC Davis cops in riot gear spray chemical weapons on peaceful students!
- Friday, Nov 18, 2011 -

What about the systematic use of police brutality - especially the widespread use of pepper spray - to enforce tuition increases onto students? Notice that the tuition costs at University of California campuses was around $6,000 in the year 2005. Today it’s currently around $13,000. And now there’s a plan proposed by UC President Mark Yudof to increase tuition by 81 percent over the next four years. So that would raise tuition to around $23,000. So, what we’re looking at is, within 10 years, a tuition increase from $6,000 to $23,000. And that’s what students were protesting at UC Davis. Student Protesters on campus were brutally pepper-sprayed by UC Davis campus police in riot gear for peacefully opposing rising tuitions costs. See above photo. This is disgusting!

Our Education System is being destroyed. It's quickly becoming strictly about for-profits.
For-profit colleges and universities: the $400 billion business of higher education is booming

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Occupy Wall Street protester



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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Nov 29, 2011 9:17am
Forum: occupywallstreet Subject: Re: unions = mafia

Unions had nothing to do with driving up wages? Ever had to cross a teamster picket line? Ever have to park down the street so your tires don't get slashed by union thugs?

UNION SUCK BALLS, BIG SWEATY BLACK BALLS

Why would anyone want to give up their own right to negotiate their own salary to a union full of average and below average producers? Talk about socialism... that is revolting. Imagine letting some union contract dictate how much you can earn in an organization... I'd rather die than live like that.

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Nov 30, 2011 6:49am
Forum: occupywallstreet Subject: Re: your Tea Party propaganda = One Percent mantra

Re: Unions had nothing to do with driving up wages?

Without Unions, we see nothing but lower wages, longer hours, less benefits, less safety in the workplace, more child labor laws broken, more sweat shops, and more outsourcing of jobs.

I'm thankful to Unions for helping Labor and Workers earn decent living wages and better benefits. Look at all they have done in the past to improve Workers Rights:
• Unions raise wages of unionized workers.
• Unions reduce wage inequality.
• Strong unions set a pay standard that nonunion employers follow.
• The most sweeping advantage for unionized workers is in fringe benefits.
• Unionized workers receive more generous health benefits than nonunion workers.
• Unionized workers receive better pension plans.
• Unionized workers receive more vacation time and more total paid leave.
Unions play a pivotal role both in securing legislated labor protections and rights such as safety and health, overtime, and family/medical leave and in enforcing those rights on the job. Because unionized workers are more informed, they are more likely to benefit from social insurance programs such as unemployment insurance and workers compensation. Unions are thus an intermediary institution that provides a necessary complement to legislated benefits and protections.

What happened to non-union Electronics Workers (like me) who worked 30 years in this industry? We were Fired! Our JOBS were outsourced! Today, ONE MILLION Electronics Workers in China are forced into Slave Labor, Concentration Camps, and Sweat Shops! Chinese Workers are forced to work 15-hour shifts, six days per week, in brutal and unsafe conditions, for $250 per month. That works out to Sixty Five cents per hour wages! These workers are Human Beings.

1 Million Workers. 100 Million iPhones. 17 Suicides. Who’s to Blame?
http://www.archive.org/post/382493/happy-july-4
http://www.wired.com/magazine/2011/02/ff_joelinchina/all/1
http://www.archive.org/post/385218/rip-space-shuttle-rip-electronics-rip-american-workers
Without Unions and organized labor, Apple, HP, IBM, Dell, Sony, and Nokia are using unchecked Chinese slave labor to manufacture their products. Unsafe working conditions are causing Chinese Electronics Workers to get Killed on the Job! Apple's Chinese Electronics Workers are committing suicide on the job! These are documented facts.

In a related story:
http://www.andyworthington.co.uk/2011/11/27/n30-strike-2-million-uk-workers-to-protest-against-tory-led-government-cuts/
More than two million workers in Britain are participating in a nationwide strike today to protest government plans to reduce public sector pensions. Today's action is expected to be the largest walkout in Great Britain in a generation.


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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Dec 1, 2011 1:36pm
Forum: occupywallstreet Subject: Monte!

Blow me, I am no puppet of your movement or any movement!

You must be off your friggin rocker accusing me of propaganda after all the slanted left wing nonsense you have posted...

There is nothing unfounded or unproven in anything I said and it surely was not created in an attempt to brainwash the masses into any nationalistic behavior... that is what propaganda is.

Unions are fucking scumsucking extortionists whose time and purpose has long since passed.

Tea party protesters didn't leave garbage, get arrested, or shit themselves, WHY DO YOU THING THAT IS?

Anyone who imposes their will on my right to pursue happiness under the US Constitution will be met with force.

Take your big government and "everyone deserves everything" nonsense to cuba or north korea, shining examples of socialism in action.

Peace!

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Dec 2, 2011 6:13pm
Forum: occupywallstreet Subject: Re: Monte!

"Can I go buddy, Can I go down, Take your shift at the mine?"

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Dec 2, 2011 2:33pm
Forum: occupywallstreet Subject: Re: your Tea Party propaganda = One Percent mantra

Hey we CAN GET ALONG!

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/12/02/us-protests-richmond-idUSTRE7B11IW20111202

But you cant do shit like this:

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2011/12/01/3-occupy-boston-protesters-arrested-after-dispute-over-kitchen-sink/

But I understand why you do:

http://www.latimes.com/health/boostershots/la-heb-mental-illness-20111201,0,2899811.story

Merry Christmas (yes I said christ, I am an atheist but I am ok with jesus)....

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Poster: rastamon Date: Dec 2, 2011 3:35pm
Forum: occupywallstreet Subject: Re: your Tea Party propaganda = One Percent mantra

the mental illness story link is broken.

Here it is > http://tinyurl.com/77buh35

and a merry christmas to you and I'll raise you a Kwanza and grog

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Poster: s.haney1974 Date: Dec 19, 2011 12:05pm
Forum: occupywallstreet Subject: Re: your Tea Party propaganda = One Percent mantra

CAN YOU REALLY BE ANY MORE OF A DOUCHE BAG??? I THINK NOT

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Jan 18, 2012 10:40am
Forum: occupywallstreet Subject: Occupy Blackout

I could be your mom, is that a big enough douchebag? I heard you have a giant stinky gash so the bigger the better I suppose...

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Dec 1, 2011 1:59pm
Forum: occupywallstreet Subject: Re: your Tea Party propaganda = One Percent mantra

Monte get your fucking head out of your ass!

The reason there are minimum wages and child labor laws are due to LEGISLATION.

Do you see women's suffrage movements in operation these days?

NO, why?

BECAUSE WOMEN ALREADY HAVE THE RIGHT TO VOTE.

PLEASE GIVE ME YOUR MEDIWEED BECAUSE IT IS WAY TOO STRONG FOR YOU.

Unions have driven jobs overseas, take an economics class instead of interpretive dance and chicano studies courses some time.

CHEAP LABOR GOOD FOR BUSINESS

EXPENSIVE LABOR BAD FOR BUSINESS]

THE MORE LABOR COSTS, THE LESS COMPETITIVE THE COMPANY

THE LESS COMPETITIVE THE COMPANY, THE LESS PROFITS

THE LESS PROFITS, THE LESS HIRING

THE LESS HIRING, THE HIGHER UNEMPLOYMENT

THE HIGHER UNEMPLOYMENT, THE HIGHER POVERTY

SEE A CYCLE YET?

Mindless worker bees standing in an assembly line should not make $23 per hour when a Mcdonadlds drive through employee only makes $7 per hour.

BUS DRIVERS SHOULD NOT MAKE AS MUCH MONEY AS I DO FOR SITTING ON THEIR BIG FAT ASSESS.

firefighters and police and teachers should be paid more than congressional aids and union representatives BUT THEY ARE NOT

LIFE IS NOT FAIR.

I WORK 3 times as hard and produce 3 times as much output as the people next to me and I barely make twice as much WTF? Should I start a union so they make more and I make less? WTF are you thinking? Mediocre people should not be as successful as I am but they are, DO I HATE ON THEM AND SET UP A TENT AND STOP THEM FROM ENTERING A BUILDING? NO!

There are REALLY stupid doctors and lawyers, people with PHD's who don't know what a fucking PDF is or how to open an email, AM I PISSED THAT THEY MAKE MORE THAN ME? YES, DO I STAND OUT FRONT OF THEIR HOUSE AND DEMAND THEY PAY ME? NO!

These fucking people that want a free ride while I bust my ass all need to go get a fucking job and a life. I have paid a hundred thousand dollars in taxes at least and some people PAY NOTHING AT ALL, is that fair? NO!

If I make $10k this year by sittting around with my dick in my hand I don't have to pay uncle sam, but if I bust my ass and steal time away from my family that I will never get back and make $100k I have to give up 20%? If I make 1 million I get penalized even more?

Do you know how much taxes the evil 1 percent of rich douchebags pays in taxes?

* The top 1% pay 22.7% of taxes.
* The top 10% pay 50% of taxes.
* The top 20% pay 65.3% of taxes.
* The top 40% pay 84.3% of taxes.
* The bottom 20% pay 1.1% of taxes.
* The bottom 40% pay 6.1% of taxes.

See how fucking retarded you is now?

http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/cats/income_expenditures_poverty_wealth/household_income.html

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Poster: high flow Date: Jan 10, 2012 2:51pm
Forum: occupywallstreet Subject: Re: your Tea Party propaganda = One Percent mantra

A Beer Story: Tax Cuts for the Wealthy

Posted by Tony Listi on March 21, 2008

The wealthy pay most of the taxes, so it should be no surprised that they get a larger percentage of the tax cut total back! It is only fair.

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Suppose that every day, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten comes to $100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this:

The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.
The fifth would pay $1.
The sixth would pay $3.
The seventh would pay $7.
The eighth would pay $12.
The ninth would pay $18.
The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59.
So, that’s what they decided to do. The ten men drank in the bar every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement, until one day, the owner threw them a curve. ‘Since you are all such good customers, he said, ‘I’m going to reduce the cost of your daily beer by $20. Drinks for the ten now cost just $80.

The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes so the first four men were unaffected. They would still drink for free. But what about the other six men – the paying customers? How could they divide the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his ‘fair share?’ They realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they subtracted that from everybody’s share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would each end up being paid to drink his beer. So, the bar owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man’s bill by roughly the same amount, and he proceeded to work out the amounts each should pay.

And so:

The fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100% savings).
The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33%savings).
The seventh now pay $5 instead of $7 (28%savings).
The eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% savings).
The ninth now paid $14 instead of $18 (22% savings).
The tenth now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% savings).
Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued to drink for free. But once outside the restaurant, the men began to compare their savings.

‘I only got a dollar out of the $20,’declared the sixth man. He pointed to the tenth man,’ but he got $10!’

‘Yeah, that’s right,’ exclaimed the fifth man. ‘I only saved a dollar, too. It’s unfair that he got ten times more than I!’

‘That’s true!!’ shouted the seventh man. ‘Why should he get $10 back when I got only two? The wealthy get all the breaks!’

‘Wait a minute,’ yelled the first four men in unison. ‘We didn’t get anything at all. The system exploits the poor!’

The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.

The next night the tenth man didn’t show up for drinks, so the nine sat down and had beers without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important. They didn’t have enough money between all of them for even half of the bill!

And that, boys and girls, journalists and college professors, is how our tax system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up anymore. In fact, they might start drinking overseas where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier.

David R. Kamerschen, Ph.D.
Professor of Economics, University of Georgia

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Poster: rabid47 Date: Jun 6, 2014 8:30am
Forum: occupywallstreet Subject: Re: your Tea Party propaganda = One Percent mantra

That's why I stay in and get hammered on my own. Pubs are just too dangerous if u got cash.


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Poster: nasirmahmood430 Date: Jun 28, 2012 6:00am
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